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Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:42 am
by ped
Great posts, very much appreciated, will be giving them a try asap

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:56 am
by NCPaul
Yes, provided you give the starter culture some dextrose to eat and convert to lactic acid. You should also be able to meet the suggested temperatures for the Bactoferm you are using. The fermentation step is the only time that you would need to check pH. I stick the pH probe directly into the meat. I use some sausage meat left in the stuffer wrapped in cling wrap for the pH check. If I only had the cacciatore mix, I would make the sticks in the usual 10-14 days then seal them in a bag and hold them an extra few weeks to give the nitrate a chance to reduce. This process is designed specifically for making salami without a fermentation and temperature / humidity controlled drying chamber. By using sheep casing, this process can be successful with an oven with a tray of water and an unmodified fridge; no special equipment needed. Snack sticks similar to these are sold near the check out in grocery stores for $ 1-2 / one ounce which sends my frugal nature into a price rage.

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:42 pm
by badjak
Thanks NCPaul,
In my case it won't be an oven but a fridge...
Or maybe an electric coolbox.

Step one is going to make sure I have something with semi controlled temperatures / humidity (or maybe just hang them outside, current temperatures are between 23 and 31 oC :D )
Quite sure I will be back with more queries after that

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 11:13 pm
by NCPaul
Hungarian Sausage (Kolbasz) w/ Apricot
Based on Len Poli's formulation

I thought this would be good, it's not, it's great. This is my fourth example of incorporating a dried fruit (sterilized) in a dried snack stick and the tartness and sweetness of the apricots really pair well with the paprika and cured meat. I made them by fermenting in my oven with a dish of water and drying them in my beer fridge. Another example of "What grows together, goes together". :D

Pork loin and back fat (80/20) 1 Kg
Apricots soaked in brandy. 100 g
(Made by soaking 75 g in 75 g of brandy)

Ground through course plate then mixed with

Salt 23 g
Cure #1 2.4 g
Black pepper 5 g
Dextrose 3 g
Hungarian paprika 8 g
Garlic powder. 2.25 g
Allspice. 2.5 g


Added last:
SafePro F-LC 1.1 g


pH (46 hrs. at 72F) = 5.25


0 hrs. 1107 g
168 hrs. 700 g (36.8 %)
240 hrs. 646 g (41.6 %)

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Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 11:59 pm
by Haerblaw
Great recipes!

Question 1, Is the bactoferm the fermentation agent in the sausage? I had thought it was something to be sprayed on the outside, but I'm reading here it is blended in with the sausage.
Question 2, Why did you choose to vastly reduce the amount of bactoferm called for in the recipe?
Question 3, Is it possible to use buttermilk or greek yogurt as a sausage fermentation culture? (mesophyllic, like in aged cheese)

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:58 am
by NCPaul
1. Bactoferm mold 600 is sprayed on the outside. There are 5 other Bactoferm products available to the home sausage maker that are fermentation cultures meant to be added to the meat. Each of these cultures are meant to drop the pH and provide other beneficial properties.
2. The stated usage for the product is 25 grams for 100 kilograms of meat or 0.25 g / Kg. Because the products are not homogeneous, there was a recommendation to use 1/3 of a package to insure that enough of the bacteria made it into the batch regardless of the batch size. I use more than the usage rate but less than the expensive recommendation (I actually use what I scoop out on the end of a spatula).
3. That has been done with mixed results. The Bactoferm products are blends of bacteria of known usage rate for multiple effects on meat.

I recommend this book to everyone: https://www.amazon.com/Home-Production- ... =Marianski

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 10:16 pm
by NCPaul
Lime Chipotle Snackstick

I made a small batch with leftover meat. The lime powder came from King Arthur Flour and not surprisingly they had no guidelines on how much to add to meat.

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Lean pork 500 g
Back fat 150 g

Course ground

Salt 15 g
Cure #1 1.63 g
Chipotle powder 5 g
Lime powder 5 g
Black pepper 4 g
SafePro F-LC 0.3 g

pH 15 hrs. 5.5
pH 39 hrs. 5.15

Cold smoked overnight with pecan dust.

10/11 543 g
10/22 298 g (45.1 %)

These dried quickly (perhaps pH related). The chipotle powder gave these a warm savory taste with heat more noticeable later. I thought the lime could be increased but my co-worker thought it was at a good level. Something quick to tide me over while the larger salamis are aging. :D

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Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:07 am
by leiathepricess
This will be a good treat this Halloween.

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:50 pm
by wheels
That's the first I've heard of lime powder - how does it affect the taste?

Phil

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:51 pm
by NCPaul
I was aiming for something close to the lime jalapeƱo snack stick here:

https://www.vermontsmokeandcure.com/products/

The lime is a slight tartness up front. I'd say my guess is a little low on the lime and a little higher on the chili. The products I linked to go for over $ 2 / ounce; I hated to even buy one to taste against. They are a fast growing segment in the retail marketplace. I see four or five brands with 3-5 flavors at the checkout of the grocery store I use with pricing ranging from $ 1 - 2 / oz. Jerky has similar placement and pricing.

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:20 pm
by wheels
Thanks Paul. If they can sell it at that price, good luck to them!

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:49 am
by NCPaul
South Carolina Barbecue Snack Sticks

In South Carolina and in parts of Georgia and North Carolina barbecue sauces use mustard as a base. It is an interesting variation to try and after seeing how much acid was used to make mustard, I thought a snack stick could be made using it without a fermentation step. The initial pH did indeed start from a safe point (even without the cider vinegar that I dropped from the sauce recipe). The first batch of sticks however, seemed to have lost the acetic acid during drying and were a little flat tasting. I also wanted more heat and a more pronounced mustard flavor. I added back a fermentation step to generate lactic acid and also used some liquid smoke flavor as well.

Lean pork butt 860 g
Back fat 140 g

Ground coarse then mixed with:

Salt 23 g
Cure # 1 2.5 g
Dextrose 3 g
SafePro F-LC 0.72 g

Fermented for 41 hours at room temperature, then mixed with the following:

French's yellow mustard 59 g (1/4 c)
Dark brown sugar 12 g (1 T)
Mustard powder 2.5 g
Heinz ketchup 12 g (1 1/2 t)
Worcestershire sauce 4 g (1 t)
Cayenne 1 g
Black pepper 2.5 g
White pepper 1 g
Wright's liquid smoke 4 g

pH initial = 5.0

1025 g (sheep casing 731 g, synthetic 294 g)
749 g 26.9 % 168 hrs.(551 g, 198 g)

526 g 48.7 % 336 hrs.(375 g, 151 g)

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Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:31 am
by NCPaul
Bread Spice and Butterkase Snack Stick

I first came across German bread spice when I was making the Paderborn Rye recipe given in the excellent book The Rye Baker by Stanley Ginsberg. It is a wildly aromatic blend of spices (and much more interesting than using just caraway). When I smelled it I knew it would work in a snack stick. I decided to add in some Butterkase cheese from Germany via Aldi and adjusted the fat down to compensate.

Lean pork butt 750 g
Fatty pork belly 135 g
Butterkase cheese finely diced 115 g

Salt 23 g
Cure #1 2.2 g
Dextrose 3 g
Black pepper 2 g
Caraway seeds 1 g
Anise seeds 0.6 g
Fennel seeds 0.6 g
Coriander seeds 0.2 g
Added last
SafePro F-LC 0.5 g

Meat ground through a course plate then mixed with the rest. Stuffed into sheep casing. Of note, this was a very stiff mix (probably due to the added cheese) so a larger batch would be quite difficult to stuff. Judging from the pH, I might need some fresh culture.

pH = 5.4 (48 hrs.)

Initial weight 940 g
168 hrs. 536 g (43 %)
228 hrs. 495 g (47.3 %)

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Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:17 pm
by wheels
Those spices must pack a punch. Another great recipe.

Phil

Re: Fermented Snack Sticks

PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:51 pm
by NCPaul
I know :D ; I kept the use level down to what is used in kabanosy. The caraway flavor complements the taste of the cheese nicely.