First time (saltpetre) bacon curing and a bit nervous!

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First time (saltpetre) bacon curing and a bit nervous!

Postby Crispybacon » Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:42 am

I�m gradually working my way through all the threads on this great forum but there is so much information to take in - my head is spinning! Sometimes the detail and advice has the effect of making me too frightened to just get on with it. :shock:

Anyway I�m ready to try and make my own dry cured bacon and want to make sure I�ve got the method right.

I�m in Australia and don�t have access to any premixed cures etc. so have to make do with saltpetre and salt. I will be using Oddley�s recipe which I assume is right for my purposes:

Meat 1 kg
Saltpetre 0.5 Grams (500 ppm)
Salt Weight 20 grams (2%)
Sugar Weight 10 grams (1%)
Sodium Ascorbate 0.55 grams (550 ppm)

Or if you want to make up a mix then:

Saltpetre 5 Grams
Salt Weight 200 grams
Sugar Weight 100 grams
Sodium Ascorbate 5.5 grams

Usage 31 grams per 1 kg meat

method:

Rub the required amount of cure into the meat 90% into the meat side 10% into the rind. Put into a ziplock bag then into the bottom of the fridge, at a temp of 1 - 4 C for 10 days per 1 kg meat. when done take meat out of the bag thoroughly wash under cold water and return to the fridge uncovered for 2 days for drying and equalisation of salts.



I do have a few questions though.

Is the standard salt from the supermarket okay to use or do I need a special type?

What role does the sugar have in the curing mix? Is it a chemical one or just there for flavour? I�m trying to eliminate sugar from my diet as much as possible but appreciate that it may need to be used. Can I experiment with the amount that I use or would that be a bad thing from a safety point of view?

If you vac pack your bacon while it is curing, won�t it sit in a slurry of juice? I�ve read that the liquid needs to be drained off. I do have a vacuum packing machine and would prefer to use this method.

I don�t know much about the flavourings you can add to bacon cures but does adding other spices and ingredients affect the ratios of the basic cure?

What types of (non-sweet) flavouring ingredients can you add to a dry bacon cure mix?

BTW if anyone in Australia has managed to source premixed cures I�d love to hear about it. I�ve looked all over with no luck so far. I�m not sure whether the products sold on this site would make it past customs in Australia so am reluctant to try and I assume the costs involved with exchange rates and postage would be prohibitive anyway.
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Postby Lance Yeoh » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:51 am

Hi Crispybacon,
Guess we're on the same boat, I trying to make my 1st bacon as well. I've ordered the dry bacon cure from them on Monday but have yet to receive it. I hope it's not stuck at customs. Postage and conversion of currency cost me a leg! :lol:
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Postby Crispybacon » Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:05 am

Hi Lance

Lance Yeoh wrote: Postage and conversion of currency cost me a leg! :lol:


At least you�ve still got your arms � they�ll come in handy when making bacon. :lol: I look forward to reading about the results of your first attempt.
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Postby David. » Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:15 pm

Crispybacon,

Wecome to the forum. Supermarket (table salt) contains iodine. It is better to use sea salt or pickling salt as it is pure. Regarding the sugar it is only for flavour. You can substitute honey or treacle (molasses) for the sugar.

Bacon is esy to make. Good luck......

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Postby dougal » Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:57 pm

Making bacon *is* easy.

A little sugar (less than 1/4 of the salt amount) is usually described as smoothing the harshness of the salt. Americans tend to like rather more sugar than that.
Its a taste thing and so you could use fruit sugar, honey, demarara... or no sugar at all.

Salts. Sea salt may be ethically "pure" but it sure ain't chemically pure! Some folk swear by using sea salt for a better taste, others want chemically pure sodium chloride only - which may be most easily found as "kosher" salt (in Australia - I dunno!)
"Kitchen salt" is usually iodised as a public health measure. But the amount is pretty tiny - about 30ppm in the UK. In the USA, where much of the objection to curing with iodised salt comes from, they have 100ppm iodine - which might explain why they swear they can taste it. French iodised salt is about 20ppm. (Australia?)
The amount of iodine in the quantity of salt you will use for curing is certainly pretty microscopic...
I have some iodised French sea salt that I use. Go figure!
"Free-running table salt" contains an "anti-cakeing agent", so that it, errr, runs freely and doesn't form clumps in your dinnertable salt shaker. There's about a teaspoonful of the additive in a ton (tonne) of salt. So there's not very much in your bacon...

Some folk think that coarse salt crystals are better for curing, because they dissolve more slowly.

Personally, I am concerned about people mixing large batches of cure, and expecting to get an even blend of large salt crystals and tiny saltpetre ones.
Segregation means that even mixing is practically impossible.
That's why Prague Powders are made by special 'flash evaporation' of mixed solutions, so that the crystals are the same size and don't segregate.

Which leaves the problem of accurately measuring out tiny quantities of saltpetre. Rather than buying some specialist scales, I've taken to using a standard solution of saltpetre, so that I can measure out 20g or so of solution rather than weighing 0.4g or somesuch.
20cc of solution is also much more easily evenly spread over the whole meat surface than 0.4g of crystals...
Yes you are adding 20g of water to your 1000g of belly. That's 2%, but given the osmotic loss of fluid (which is required to dissolve the salt and any sugar in "dry curing") is going to be greater.
If you want your bacon really dry, hang it in the fridge. It'll dry and firm up considerably in a couple of days.
In any case, I'd suggest that you use the brine in your packet to spread the cure around evenly - turn the packet every time you go to the fridge!

Enjoy! Its easy, and you can adjust the result by soaking and/or drying, so go for it!
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Postby wittdog » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:47 pm

You might be able to find non-iodized table salts...they sell it here in the US..one of th reasons to stay away from the iodiised salt is that it can lead to streaking in the color of the meat...
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Postby Crispybacon » Sat Aug 19, 2006 8:50 am

Thanks for the replies everyone.

dougal wrote:A little sugar (less than 1/4 of the salt amount) is usually described as smoothing the harshness of the salt. Americans tend to like rather more sugar than that.
Its a taste thing and so you could use fruit sugar, honey, demarara... or no sugar at all.


I think I will experiment with the sugar levels after I�ve made and tasted my first batch to see what I prefer.

Salts. Sea salt may be ethically "pure" but it sure ain't chemically pure! Some folk swear by using sea salt for a better taste, others want chemically pure sodium chloride only - which may be most easily found as "kosher" salt (in Australia - I dunno!)
"Kitchen salt" is usually iodised as a public health measure. But the amount is pretty tiny - about 30ppm in the UK. In the USA, where much of the objection to curing with iodised salt comes from, they have 100ppm iodine - which might explain why they swear they can taste it. French iodised salt is about 20ppm. (Australia?)
The amount of iodine in the quantity of salt you will use for curing is certainly pretty microscopic...
I have some iodised French sea salt that I use. Go figure!
"Free-running table salt" contains an "anti-cakeing agent", so that it, errr, runs freely and doesn't form clumps in your dinnertable salt shaker. There's about a teaspoonful of the additive in a ton (tonne) of salt. So there's not very much in your bacon...

Some folk think that coarse salt crystals are better for curing, because they dissolve more slowly.


I�m up to speed on the salt issue now. I can get something called �flossy salt� : -

http://www.wasalt.com.au/Flossy.html

�..from the same place I got my saltpetre. From the supermarket I can get non-iodized table salt but it does have anti-caking agents in it. I�ll probably go with this for the time being until I can get some of the other.

Personally, I am concerned about people mixing large batches of cure, and expecting to get an even blend of large salt crystals and tiny saltpetre ones.
Segregation means that even mixing is practically impossible.


What do you think of me processing the salt and saltpetre together in an electric spice grinder to get the particle size more consistent?


Which leaves the problem of accurately measuring out tiny quantities of saltpetre. Rather than buying some specialist scales, I've taken to using a standard solution of saltpetre, so that I can measure out 20g or so of solution rather than weighing 0.4g or somesuch.
20cc of solution is also much more easily evenly spread over the whole meat surface than 0.4g of crystals...


Are you saying that you dissolve for example 5g of saltpetre in 200g of water and then just measure out the 20g of the solution for your kilogram of meat? As I don�t have scales that measure below 5g this would work for me.

If you want your bacon really dry, hang it in the fridge. It'll dry and firm up considerably in a couple of days.


The only reason I wanted to do dry-cure bacon was from all I�ve seen and heard on television etc. it seems to be regarded as superior to the brine cure. I guess the very fact that I�ll be making my own as opposed to buying the �pumped full of whatever� bacon makes anything I produce superior regardless of how it�s done.

In any case, I'd suggest that you use the brine in your packet to spread the cure around evenly - turn the packet every time you go to the fridge!


Would you recommend that I check my fridge temperature before attempting this. Also is there a danger in leaving the bacon to cure any longer than the time recommended in Oddley�s recipe? Is there any way to tell if it�s working��.like with colour changes etc.? I know fridge temperature can affect the rate at which the saltpetre converts from nitrate to nitrite.

Sorry for all the questions!
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Postby Wohoki » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:36 am

Just my ha'penny worth here. I found that when I cured using salt with anti-caking agents I could taste a "chemicaly" aftertaste, but I don't know if this was psychosomatic because I was concerned about the chemicals. If it was actually there, then it was very faint and probably not worth worrying about in a light cure.
Dougals technique of dissolving the saltpeter in water for application is a good one. Adding an ounce of water to the cure would make no difference to the method: if you buy a bag of salt and leave it open in the kitchen it'll pick up more water than this per kilo just from the atmosphere in a week.
As to the different qualities of dry and wet curing, this is just a matter of taste. The UK has (or, sadly, used to have) as many bacon cures as it does counties, some dry some wet. Both can be superb (you can't beat some of the Scottish wet-cured bacons, and I rarely make bacon myself because the dry-cured Wiltshire that my butcher stocks is one of the best meat products on the face of the earth, he buy whole sides and cuts it with a knife to order: I could eat the smoked raw.) I would recommend dry curing for the home producer for the simple reason that it takes up less room in the fridge, you need a large volume of brine to ensure that the concentration of cure remains high enough to preserve the meat.

And one last thought. Has anyone ever tried using vacuum dried dishwasher salt? I haven't, but it is fairly pure and I can't see why not. Thoughts?
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Postby dougal » Sat Aug 19, 2006 10:52 am

Crispybacon wrote:... I can get something called �flossy salt� : -
http://www.wasalt.com.au/Flossy.html
�..from the same place I got my saltpetre. From the supermarket I can get non-iodized table salt but it does have anti-caking agents in it. I�ll probably go with this for the time being until I can get some of the other.
The flossy salt looks to be a very useful product, with medium coarse crystals.
I note that that particular company uses an anti-cakeing agent that is different to that commonly used in the UK - and at a rather higher level. However, it may be possible that it has less taste impact that way. Or not. Dunno, sorry.
But I'm flagging up that that suppliers "Iodised Table Salt" contains 7,500ppm of anti cake Sodium Silico Aluminate, and only 70ppm of Iodate. I know which I'd expect to be most significant...
You are only going to be introducing 20g of salt (absolute maximum) into your 1 kg of bacon. So that is 20 x 70 millionths of a gram, less than one and a half thousandths of a gram, of Iodate in total in the kilo of bacon. Honestly, I don't believe Iodine levels should be a concern. But I would be concerned about the much larger amount of anti cake.

Which leaves the problem of accurately measuring out tiny quantities of saltpetre. Rather than buying some specialist scales, I've taken to using a standard solution of saltpetre, so that I can measure out 20g or so of solution rather than weighing 0.4g or somesuch.
20cc of solution is also much more easily evenly spread over the whole meat surface than 0.4g of crystals...


Are you saying that you dissolve for example 5g of saltpetre in 200g of water and then just measure out the 20g of the solution for your kilogram of meat?
Yes, that makes for an accurate way of measuring your 0.5g of saltpetre.
The application of this perfectly conventional idea, from (school-level) practical chemistry, to meat curing seems (amazingly) to be my own idea.

You are increasing your measurement accuracy dramatically by taking a more easily measurable (larger) quantity of saltpetre, diluting it, and then measuring a more easily measurable (larger) quantity of the solution.
However, if your scale only measures in 5g 'clicks', its unsuitable for measuring a 5g quantity. You'd be better either mixing up 20g of saltpetre in 800 ml of boiled water, or taking the 20g and then halving, and halving again, by eye, to get the 5g.
If your scale is �2.5g, your % accuracy is rubbish at 5 �2.5 and rather more respectable at 20 �2.5
That said, I'm wondering about getting a 'pocket' digital scale with 0.1 or 0.01g 'clicks'. My guess is that street corner 'businessmen' might be the target market for such items, but whatever, they do exist, and quite cheaply.

If you want your bacon really dry, hang it in the fridge. It'll dry and firm up considerably in a couple of days.

The only reason I wanted to do dry-cure bacon was from all I�ve seen and heard on television etc. it seems to be regarded as superior to the brine cure. I guess the very fact that I�ll be making my own as opposed to buying the �pumped full of whatever� bacon makes anything I produce superior regardless of how it�s done.
The salt (and saltpetre) need some water to dissolve it and so allow it to be transported into the meat. Adding 2% water actually facillitates this, and helps provide a kick start.
Check the bacon weight yourself. After curing, it won't have gained weight. However, if you immersed it in brine, it'd be expected to gain 5 to 10% weight from brine uptake (if you left it long enough). Commercial bacon in the UK with "no added water" may legally have been pumped with 10% of brine... :roll:
By giving it 2% water (or so) you are much closer to a "dry cure" than almost anything you are likely to buy.
Traditionally, curing was about preservation, which meant getting salt in and water out. Now its a different game, played for taste and texture. Seriously dry and seriously salty bacon isn't as nice as something that isn't so extreme.

In your sealed vacpack, after a day or so, you'll have some salt inside the bacon, rather more in the brine, and maybe a few crystals still undissolved.
If you pour off the 'juice', you'll be pouring away much of the salts. Its a matter of just how salty you like your bacon as to how long you leave it!
You can soak out excess salt by leaving the bacon in fresh water for hours to days. But note that if you hang the bacon and dry it, the drying ups the saltiness...
The vacuum speeds the curing process. I just use a Ziploc bag.

Would you recommend that I check my fridge temperature before attempting this. Also is there a danger in leaving the bacon to cure any longer than the time recommended in Oddley�s recipe? Is there any way to tell if it�s working��.like with colour changes etc.? I know fridge temperature can affect the rate at which the saltpetre converts from nitrate to nitrite.
Yes. Saltpetre curing depends on bacterial action, and that depends on temperature. You don't want the fridge too cold - and +2C is too cold. I used an ordinary digital room thermometer to discover that the top shelf of my fridge is usually around 6C while the fridge floor stays close to 2C. Your mileage may vary. I try and use the top shelf to have the higher temperature. Just use the warmest part of your fridge.

As to knowing when its done, try poking it! The curing firms up and stiffens the meat somewhat, and while you won't initially recognise any 'right' feel, you should be able to develop that knack. But to start with, follow recipe times until you know better!

Its a pretty easy process. Much of the difference in the advice handed around is because the process allows so much variation - and within that you can adjust things to suit your own taste.
IMHO, the main risk is that your meat will be too sterile and the bacteria won't be there to work with the saltpetre. Then you'll end up with pallid salt pork rather than bacon. Not much of a risk, really.
Have a go, note what you do, and tweak it the next time depending on how it turns out.
Just do it, and I'm sure you'll make something good!
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Postby Crispybacon » Sun Aug 20, 2006 12:19 am

Some great input and very helpful.

The flossy salt looks to be a very useful product, with medium coarse crystals.
I note that that particular company uses an anti-cakeing agent that is different to that commonly used in the UK - and at a rather higher level. However, it may be possible that it has less taste impact that way. Or not. Dunno, sorry.
But I'm flagging up that that suppliers "Iodised Table Salt" contains 7,500ppm of anti cake Sodium Silico Aluminate, and only 70ppm of Iodate. I know which I'd expect to be most significant...
You are only going to be introducing 20g of salt (absolute maximum) into your 1 kg of bacon. So that is 20 x 70 millionths of a gram, less than one and a half thousandths of a gram, of Iodate in total in the kilo of bacon. Honestly, I don't believe Iodine levels should be a concern. But I would be concerned about the much larger amount of anti cake.


I think I�ll have to give the �iodine or anti-caking� issue some more thought. I did actually see some salt without any additives at my local supermarket but the price kind of put me off a bit � something like five times the cost of the table salt. At least I�m learning a lot about salt!

Is there a specific salt �grain-size� that is best or doesn�t it matter that much?

However, if your scale only measures in 5g 'clicks', its unsuitable for measuring a 5g quantity. You'd be better either mixing up 20g of saltpetre in 800 ml of boiled water, or taking the 20g and then halving, and halving again, by eye, to get the 5g.
If your scale is �2.5g, your % accuracy is rubbish at 5 �2.5 and rather more respectable at 20 �2.5
That said, I'm wondering about getting a 'pocket' digital scale with 0.1 or 0.01g 'clicks'. My guess is that street corner 'businessmen' might be the target market for such items, but whatever, they do exist, and quite cheaply.


I�m thinking I need to get some better kitchen scales. Another possible market, apart from �street corner businessmen� :lol: would be jewellery equipment suppliers. I know of a good local one so will check them out next time I�m passing.

Would the saltpetre/water solution keep or would I need to dispose of any unused portion?

You don't want the fridge too cold - and +2C is too cold. I used an ordinary digital room thermometer to discover that the top shelf of my fridge is usually around 6C while the fridge floor stays close to 2C. Your mileage may vary. I try and use the top shelf to have the higher temperature. Just use the warmest part of your fridge.


I�ve bought myself a fridge thermometer and am currently testing different parts of my fridge.

IMHO, the main risk is that your meat will be too sterile and the bacteria won't be there to work with the saltpetre. Then you'll end up with pallid salt pork rather than bacon. Not much of a risk, really.


Okay this was a major concern of mine and is causing me to waiver a bit on getting started. So��..(assuming I follow the recipe and method correctly) the worst that will happen is that the final product won�t taste or look like bacon. I am a bit worried about the health and safety issues.
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Postby dougal » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:40 am

Salt grain size: I've read opinions that large crystals which dissolve slowly make for a better gentler dry cure. Of course it doesn't matter a damn once its dissolved...

Saltpetre solution: I don't think saltpetre makes a perfect sterilising solution. Hence I'd suggest that you don't make up an excessive amount, use boiled water, a well cleaned jar (like for jam making) and keep it out of the light. Since cool is unlikely to hurt, in the fridge sounds good. I'm sure it'll be fine for at least a month.

Health and safety: Nitrate and Nitrite are primarily effective against Botulism, which really isn't much of a problem with chunks of meat, like bacon and ham. Minced meat packed into a sausage and smoked or dried is rather different! If its pallid, its salt pork, no great problem. There's plenty recipes for 'petit sal�'...
I let the meat come up to room temperature for an hour or so before starting the cure, (a sort of an incubation), dunno if its needed, but it hasn't killed me - yet!

Just do it - and report back!
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Postby Crispybacon » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:04 am

Okay my first piece of bacon is now underway. I ended up finding a cooking salt without iodine or anti-caking agent at a different store. I followed Dougal�s instructions to dilute the saltpetre in a solution of water and then measure from that. I definitely see the need for more accurate scales so will be following up on that.

I�ll report back when it�s finished.

Thanks for all the help!
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Postby jenny_haddow » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:08 am

Here's a picture of a piece of belly I did last week. I added dark brown sugar to the cure and the taste is excellent. Not too sweet, just an underlying flavour of the brown sugar.

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Good luck with your piece of bacon, you cant beat it for flavour.

Cheers

Jen

There's another picture somewhere, I'll find it and post it. Here it is, I hope!

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Postby Paul Kribs » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:36 am

Jen

It looks very nice.. there's nothing beats a good picture to get the saliva glands working.

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Postby Crispybacon » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:56 am

Oooh that looks lovely. Unfortunately I won�t be able to take any pics of mine as my O/H is in the UK and he�s taken our camera. Do you have a proper meat slicer or was that done with a knife?
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