High-fructose corn syrup

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High-fructose corn syrup

Postby Massimo Maddaloni » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:33 pm

I am dropping this post to dispell a myth that's going big in the health debate all over the world.
High-fructose syrups are a blessing in out diets because fructose is much sweeter than both sucrose (table sugar) and glucose. Which means that, to impart the same degree of sweetness, less sugar -equal less calories- is needed.
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Postby Kizer » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:02 pm

Another thing to take into consideration is that the body ultimately breaks it all down into glucose. The thought that sugar is better for you than corn syrup is not true.
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Postby DiggingDogFarm » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:47 pm

Regular sugar vs. HFCS?

They're both toxins!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magaz ... wanted=all

Fructose is especially bad...

"The digestion, absorption and metabolism of fructose differ from those of glucose. Hepatic metabolism of fructose favors de novo lipogenesis [production of fat in the liver]. In addition, unlike glucose, fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion or enhance leptin production. Because insulin and leptin act as key afferent signals in the regulation of food intake and body weight [to control appetite], this suggests that dietary fructose may contribute to increased energy intake and weight gain. Furthermore, calorically sweetened beverages may enhance caloric overconsumption."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-h ... 61913.html

There are billions of dollars at stake for the HFCS industry, of course they're going to insist that all sugar is the same.
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Re: High-fructose corn syrup

Postby DiggingDogFarm » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:59 pm

Massimo Maddaloni wrote:I am dropping this post to dispell a myth that's going big in the health debate all over the world.
High-fructose syrups are a blessing in out diets because fructose is much sweeter than both sucrose (table sugar) and glucose. Which means that, to impart the same degree of sweetness, less sugar -equal less calories- is needed.
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According to The HFCS industry, HFCS 55 (the most popular type) is the same sweetness as sugar.

See this chart, 100% and 100%....

http://sweetsurprise.com/comparing-hfcs ... sweeteners



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Postby Massimo Maddaloni » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:45 pm

Neither glucose or fructose are toxins. They are good healthy food that ANY animal (from sponge to mammals) have been living upon for billion of years. They make up for the dry matter of honey which has been coveted by mammals since the dawn of time.
Then the good-food vs bad-food BS came along as a scapegoat for people's lack of self discipline. Pork is good. Saturated fats are VERY good: try to completely eliminate them from the diet and one wouldn't live past a few months.
People are eating themsevles to death and whose fault it it?? The food's fault! The corporations' fault ... Kinda like saying that a gun or a misused hammer are responsible for homicides.
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Postby DiggingDogFarm » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:09 pm

Sugars are toxic in the levels consumed now days.

I don't blame anyone but the consumer for over consumption!
I NEVER said that over consumption was the food's fault or the industry's fault, so please don't imply that!

I did say that the industry is responsible for propoganda, I stand by that comment.

When people's decisions are influenced by the self serving and questionable propaganda of a greedy industry, how can they be expected to make good decisions?

People will believe what they want to believe!

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Postby Snags » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:08 pm

Kizer wrote:Another thing to take into consideration is that the body ultimately breaks it all down into glucose. The thought that sugar is better for you than corn syrup is not true.

No it doesnt
It treats glucose and fructose differently
Fructose can only be processed by the liver and glucose is the energy source of all living cells.
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Re: High-fructose corn syrup

Postby Massimo Maddaloni » Sun Apr 14, 2013 7:31 pm

Ultimately both fructose and glucose (which are isomers with identical formula) undergo glycolysis and then Krebs cycle, generating virtually the same amount of energy.
Metabolic obesity is 2-5%. The rest is overeating and overdrinking sodas and alcoholic beverages.
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Postby Snags » Mon Apr 15, 2013 1:15 pm

Massimo Maddaloni wrote:Neither glucose or fructose are toxins.

Glucose is a vital energy source for all living things
Fructose isnt and the body(especially the liver) treats both very differently
Massimo Maddaloni wrote:They are good healthy food that ANY animal (from sponge to mammals) have been living upon for billion of years. They make up for the dry matter of honey which has been coveted by mammals since the dawn of time.
Then the good-food vs bad-food BS came along as a scapegoat for people's lack of self discipline. Pork is good. Saturated fats are VERY good: try to completely eliminate them from the diet and one wouldn't live past a few months.

Everything in moderation even moderation itself
Massimo Maddaloni wrote:People are eating themsevles to death and whose fault it it?? The food's fault! The corporations' fault ... Kinda like saying that a gun or a misused hammer are responsible for homicides.
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I blame the culture that makes both to readily available and acceptable.
Be interested to see the statistics on hammer and red herring deaths V gun deaths
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Re: High-fructose corn syrup

Postby Massimo Maddaloni » Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:49 pm

Snags wrote:I blame the culture that makes both to readily available and acceptable


Does the same principle apply to murderers and thieves?

Incidentally, fructose is the main sugar in fruit, a food that can hardly be blamed for obesity.
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Re: High-fructose corn syrup

Postby vagreys » Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:17 pm

Please stay on topic. The gun debate belongs on some other forum; otherwise, this topic will be locked.

Humans descend from fructivore ancestors, based on our dentition and digestive system. We do process fructose differently, but in the context of seasonal availability for a limited time, the way we process fructose from ripe fruits makes sense. Our abuse of food sources is at the heart of our obesity epidemic, and it isn't confined to sugar. HFCS, in and of itself, is no worse than other sugar sources, but our abuse of it in a vast array of foods is a huge problem. Anthropologically, we see horrendous declines in dental and physical health following the introduction (and subsequent abuse, which is key) of sugar. Sugar isn't the problem. Our abuse of it is. Fruit isn't the problem. Our abuse of it is. Saturated fats aren't the problem. Our abuse of fats and our extreme reliance on beef throughout our diet is. Beef isn't the problem. Our reliance on an extremely limited range of protein sources, to the exclusion of healthy, low-fat, low-cholesterol game meats, is. The lack of seasonality in our diet is a problem. Our increasingly limited range of foods and lack of variety is a problem. Sugar is neither toxic nor evil; in fact, it is vital to life. Our abuse of sugar is something else, entirely, and quite toxic.
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Re: High-fructose corn syrup

Postby Snags » Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:17 pm

Massimo Maddaloni wrote:
Snags wrote:I blame the culture that makes both to readily available and acceptable

Incidentally, fructose is the main sugar in fruit, a food that can hardly be blamed for obesity.
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Its also the main ingredient in fast food and soft drinks,which is the problem.
Basically America grows heaps of corn and makes sugar out of it.
It puts import restrictions on regular sugar(half fructose, half sucrose) to maintain the market.

The body loves its and the body doesnt register when its had enough, like it does with sucrose.
So obviously a massive soft drink laden with it isnt going to fill you up(register a sugar overload in the brain)and stop you eating a double cheese burger also laden with it.

Fructose in fruit, is a strange one, as we are constantly told to eat lots of fruit.
The history of fruit availability is one thing that needs to be looked at.
Be it the introduction of exotic fruits through exploration and conquer.
This changed the diets of people and introduced fruit to the diet over a longer period of time,not just the one off limited seasonal fruit, that man was used to in the past.
Add globalisation and supermarkets and you can have a banana every day of the week in winter or summer.
Its turned fruit into a regular food item instead of an occasional seasonal treat in just the last 30 or 40 years.
Then look at plant breeding not just in fruit but vegetables over the last few decades
The human brain is hard wired to over indulge on fructose, as survival instinct to gain weight over summer, when the berries are out ,so you have a bit of fat reserve for the lean times of winter.
So every piece of fruit and veg that can be made sweeter(more fructose) is now sweeter and the consumer loves it, buys more and the farmer keeps trying to breed for more sweetness.
and we all become foie gras geese force fed on high fructose corn until our livers expand.
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