Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

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Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby ComradeQ » Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:51 pm

Hey gang, been so busy with my new job working midnights that I barely have a chance to partake in our favourite hobby anymore. With that said, I decided to start a batch of Montreal Smoked Meat and came across an odd occurance.I put together a brine consisting of water, kosher salt, dextrose, cure #1, and lastly ascorbic acid.

Now when I dissolved the first four ingredients everything was fine as usual. However, when I added the ascorbic acid an odd reaction occurred, the mixture started creating an orange coloured gas! I quickly fled and gave it a few minutes to air out before going back to inspect the brine. Everything had returned to normal and the brine seemed ok. Does anyone know what happened?? I can't seem to find any information suggestion a possible reaction with any of those ingredients and am at a bit of a loss as to what happened.
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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby Dogfish » Fri Aug 30, 2013 3:44 pm

What temperature was the water? Was it normal tap water?
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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby ComradeQ » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:49 pm

Dogfish wrote:What temperature was the water? Was it normal tap water?


Filtered water at room temperature.

I think I figured it out, the cure #1 has sodium bicarbonate as an anti-caking agent as well as glycerine. I'm assuming the reaction was from that.
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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby DanMcG » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:05 pm

I've never heard of anything like that before...
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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby Thewitt » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:04 am

Citric acid and sodium bicarbonate produce carbon dioxide.
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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby DiggingDogFarm » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:40 am

Ascorbic acid reacts with sodium nitrite.

Home Production of Quality Meats and Sausages, p. 118:
...Ascorbic acid should not be added with sodium nitrite at the same time, as they react violently creating fumes.


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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby NCPaul » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:38 am

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Re: Ascorbic Acid Reaction ... What Happened??

Postby ComradeQ » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:30 pm

DiggingDogFarm wrote:Ascorbic acid reacts with sodium nitrite.

Home Production of Quality Meats and Sausages, p. 118:
...Ascorbic acid should not be added with sodium nitrite at the same time, as they react violently creating fumes.


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Ah ok, but when would I add it if not in the brine? Strange as I got the recipe for the brine from a famous smoked meat place and the instructions said to add everything together in the brine.
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