Xmas Gammon

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Xmas Gammon

Postby Fallow Buck » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:14 am

Well Im in at the deep end again!! I have decided to make an Xmas Gammon for the outlaws this year (about a dozen for lunch) and also I'm going to make another for some freinds I owe favours to.

I've been quoted by my butcher 80p/lb for pork legs bone in which works out at about �15/leg give or take (yes big hams!!). I've ordered Francos Old English Boiled Ham Cure which I hope to be here early next week.

The rolled and tied legs will work out at about 5-6kgs each. I have the following questions.


Can I cure these together?

How much brine will I need to do both?

I assume I need to make up the brine at 120g/l but if I substitute some of the water for say apple juice will that cause a problem?

Is it 2days/kg of total meat or weight of each? I'm struggling to understand whhy I'd double the curig time if I have two peices in the brine or only one?

Where can I get a plastic barrel big enough!!! :wink:

Then comes the tricky bit....

I have a mate with a bradley that he is adapting for cold smoke. When the hams come out of the brine I plan to put them in the fridge to equalise/dry for 3-4 days then give them some smoke. We were planning about 8hrs of apple smoke. Does anyone have any thoughts on that?.

I would have liked to have done a dummy run but time is a bit against me so I just want to cover all the bases.

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Postby saucisson » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:18 pm

I smoked my Christmas ham with plum wood for 48hrs, but on a trickle basis, I don't know what density of smoke the bradley produces, hopefully we have a few bradley users who can comment. I substituted water for dilute cider. I won't be able to tell you until Christmas how mine turned out though :) . I would have thought you could fit two hams in a 5 gallon brewing bin. I see no reason not to cure them together, I put my ham in a bucket with two loins and a joint of brisket. I would base curing time on the size of the biggest joint, not total meat, but volume of cure needs to be based on the latter. I've not attempted hams that big, so someone else may have a better idea of volume required.

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Postby Fallow Buck » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:46 pm

Dave do I understand that you smoked the meat before you put it into the brine or was this a differnt ham?

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Postby Oddley » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:52 pm

Hi FB, to cure a 5 kg leg would take about 40 days, to fully cure to equalization.

Have you thought about pumping. If you pump to 10 % of the weight and then cover in brine for about 7 days. This will do the trick. You don't really need to buy an expensive pump a syringe will do, bought quite cheaply off ebay.

IMO you can of course cure both pieces together. Move them about each day and give the brine a good stir. For brine quantity, the usual convention is half the weight of brine to meat. This assumes a close fitting container. I would cover the meat with water, then measure the water to find out.

I don't think apple juice will have any effect on the brine.

Sorry can't help with the smoking.
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Postby saucisson » Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:19 pm

40 days, he'd better get a move on then, it's 40 days to Boxing Day!

Sorry for the confusion FB, I was answering your questions in a random order, the ham was brined first then patted dry and smoked without an intervening drying period as I didn't want it to get too dry.

Not entirely relevant but a 7kg turkey in a 5 gallon brew bin required 1 gallon of brine to cover it which surprised me, Oddley's suggestion to put the hams in their resting place and cover them with water to get the right quantity is an excellent one.

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Postby Fallow Buck » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:05 pm

Hi Guys,

Right it looks like I have a choice of either pumping or doing smaller hams. If I cut them into two 3kg peices would that work better?

The other thing I thought was if I brined them in their butterflied state rather and rolled/tied them after when they come out would the gereater surface area speed up the curing process?

Oddley, could you also tell me what the 10% part of the pumping refers to and what the process is exactly pls. I think I'm likely to go with the smaller hams option to be honest but I'm curious to understand the proocedure more.

I find it a bit strange that putting the same meat in the same brine in two peices rther than one will make a difference to the timing but then that's why I am not a ham expert!! :wink: It's a very interesting process though.

Thanks for all your help guys,
It is greatly appreciated.

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Postby Oddley » Thu Nov 16, 2006 2:34 pm

FB the rule of thumb I work by is brining for 10 days per 1 kg meat, for an equalisation cure. You may say, how do you get 40 days for a bone in ham of 5 kg. The answer is, if you take out 20% of the weight for bone, you have 4 kg meat.

I personally would leave a 3 kg ham in for 30 days. I have not yet been let down by this rule of thumb. If the meat is butterflied then this changes the brine time. Your guess is as good as mine.

For pumping at 10%, weigh up 100 gm of brine per 1 kg meat. Inject the meat in a number of places, into the muscle and particularly around the bone and joints with the brine, pull the needle out whilst injecting, to try to get an even distribution. Then cover with the remaining brine.
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Postby saucisson » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:34 pm

Fallow Buck wrote:I find it a bit strange that putting the same meat in the same brine in two peices rther than one will make a difference to the timing but then that's why I am not a ham expert!! :wink: It's a very interesting process though.


By cutting it in half you not only increase the surface area over which the cure can get in but you greatly reduce the distance the cure has to travel to penetrate throughout. That's why bgger joints are pumped to give the cure a head start into the heart of the joint. Think of halving the joint as the ultimate in pumping: actually exposing the centre of your joint straight to the brine.

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Postby dougal » Thu Nov 16, 2006 3:51 pm

The thing about *equilibrium* curing is that the time quoted is 'enough' time. More shouldn't hurt.
How long's enough? That depends on the maximum thickness (how far away from any surface can you get?). Its about how far the cure has to penetrate.
How quickly will it approach that? Well the more the surface area, the faster.
Did you see my ham brining process that Jenny and others followed? (I gather pretty successfully.) It should point you in the right direction.
For Christmas, you really should be getting it going ASAP.

Smoking.
I don't have a Bradley. Certainly have fancied such a thing though, and researched it a bit.
They produce quite an intense smoke.
For cold smoking thickish joints, you want - as Dave indicates - not much smoke, but for a long time. You can smoke intermittantly - hit it with some smoke and leave it for 12/24 hours before repeating. Multiple quite brief exposures, and plenty of resting, permeating, time might be the best way of employing the Bradley.
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Postby Oddley » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:18 pm

You might find the following of interest.

From: Oklahoma Cooperative Extension Service.

Oklahoma Cooperative Extension Service wrote:Method of Curing

Curing materials may be in either dry or liquid form. They
will be applied either to the surface of meat or into it by some
injection method. The oldest method of cure application is dry
cure in which the curing ingredients are rubbed on the surface
of the meat. The dry, sugar cure method can be used under
wider temperature variations and will have less spoilage
problems under unfavorable curing conditions. A simple and
time-tested dry-curing formula is as follows:

    • 8 Ibs. salt
    • 3 Ibs. sugar
    • 2 oz. sodium nitrate
    • 1/2 oz. sodium nitrite (or a total of 3 oz. nitrate available;
    remember, excess nitrite is toxic)

Also, a prepackaged cure or modern cure mix can be
purchased from a spice or seasoning company.
One ounce of cure mixture per one pound of pork should
be used. Hams will require three separate rubbings at threeto
five-day intervals. Picnics and butts will require two rubbings
at three- to five-day intervals. The belly will require one
thorough rubbing with a little sprinkling over the flesh side of
each belly. The cure mixture should be divided into two or
three portions for the number of rubbings. At the end of the
three- or five-day interval another portion of the cure mixture
should be rubbed in. When curing, meat should be held in a
non-corrosive vat or containers that will drain so the cuts do
not rest in their own brine.
The length of curing is seven days per inch of thickness.
An example, if a ham weighs 12-14 pounds and is 5 inches
thick through the thickest part, this ham should be cured 5 x
7 = 35 days. A belly two-inches thick should cure in 14 days.
Another important consideration is to be sure the cure is
rubbed into the aitch bone joint and hock end of the ham to
avoid bone sour. During curing the product should be stored
at temperatures between 32� to 40�F.
If the dry cure mix is dissolved in water, it is called a brine
or pickle. The meat can be covered with this pickle and the
system is known as immersion curing. Immersion curing is
slower and the pickle solution has to be changed every 7 days
to prevent spoilage. A sweet pickle cure with a salimeter
reading of 75� can be produced by adding 5 gallons of water
to the 8-3-3 mixture (above). A salimeter (salometer) should
be used to measure the strength (salinity) in the curing brine.
For quality curing and maintaining the same salt level in
the finished product, a salimeter is a necessary instrument of
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the industry. When using the salimeter to determine the salt
level of the brine or pickle, be sure salt is the only ingredient in
the water. Sugar and phosphates will raise the salimeter
readings. Also the temperature of the water will influence the
reading, so be sure and check the temperature at which the
salimeter is to be used. However, most salimeters are used at
60�F. (Salimeters can be purchased at a meat equipmentsupply
for approximately $7.)
A useful calculation for determining percent salt in a brine
is to multiply the salimeter reading by 26.4 percent. The
26.4percent comes from 100� brine (saturated) equals 26.4percent
salt.
The percent salt in 70� brine is:
70 x 26.4percent (0.264) = 18.48percent salt in brine.
The next application is to relate the saltiness of the brine
to the saltiness of the pumped meat.
% salt in finished product =
%salt in brine x percent pump x 100
yield
Example 1: 70� brine, pump 15% yield of finish product 102%
%salt in finished product =
(2.72 % Salt)
.1848 (% Salt) x 15 (% Salt) x 100
1.02 (%yield of finished product)
Example 2: 70� brine, pump 15%, yield of finish product 85%.
% salt in finished product =
(3.26 % Salt)
.1848 (% Salt) x 15 (%Salt) x 100
.85
For pumping pickle its usually recommended to use a
salimeter reading of 70� to 85�. Then for the cover pickle the
pump pickle can be diluted to 55�-65� brine.
Curing time for hams and picnics in brine is 3 1/2 to 4 days
per pound per piece of meat. Another way to figure curing
times is to allow 11 days per inch of thickness measuring the
greatest thickness through the center of the cut. A 15 pound
ham will take 60 days to cure by the immersion cure method.
To speed up curing, the brine or sweet pickle can be
pumped or injected into the cut. Injection of the cure is
accomplished either by stitch or artery method. The stitch
method involves the use of a perforated needle or several
needles that distribute the pickle when injected into the meat.
Another type of cure injection used especially for hams,
picnics and beef tongues is by the arterial system. This
procedure utilizes the naturally occurring vascular network for
quicker and complete distribution of the cure. The pickle is
pumped by a small gauge needle through the femoral artery of
the ham.
Any type of injection curing will speed up the distribution,
and the more complete the distribution, the shorter the curing
time. The curing time with the injection method may be as short
as 24 hours. The pickle solution can be prepared by the
procedure previously explained. The pickle can be pumped
into the ham at equivalent to 10 percent of its weight (a 15
pound ham requires 1.5 pounds of pickle). When pumping,
place the meat on a scale to determine when the proper
amount of pickle has been pumped into the meat. During the
curing period, the product should be kept at 36 to 40�F.


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Postby saucisson » Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:35 pm

Very interesting read Oddley, I shall save that one for future reference.

"Another way to figure curing
times is to allow 11 days per inch of thickness measuring the
greatest thickness through the center of the cut"

So if FB's butterflied joints are no more than 3" thick he can get them done in time for Christmas.

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Postby wittdog » Thu Nov 16, 2006 5:27 pm

The last ham I did was 20lbs I spray pumped and then brined it for 7 days...then I smoked it...12 hrs at 120*F as a "drying cycle" then 8 hrs of smoke at 135*F I used hickory wood.....then it took another 12hrs at 165* to get a fully cooked ready to eat ham.....Hope this helps
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Postby Fallow Buck » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:44 am

THanks Guys,

Oddley, that's a great read. Thanks for posting.

It looks like the only feasable way to do this is to pump the brine. I looked into a brine pump and they are very expensive.

I have a big turkey baster that has a needle that screws on for injecting the breast of the meat with when cooking. That might work or I can look into getting a syringe from somewhere.

I'll keep you posted on any developments

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Postby Paul Kribs » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:10 am

FB

I toyed with the idea of a proper brine pump, but I couldn't warrant the price. I bought a couple of large canulas and syringes, and they work very well. Have a browse, they are not at all expensive.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/The-Syringe-Shop

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Postby Fallow Buck » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:31 am

Thanks Paul,

I just spoke to my butcher who said he knows someone that might be able to lend me a manual brine pump.

If not then I'll go down your route and order some big syringes.

At least this way I have plenty of time to get pumped, brined and smoked by Xmas. I'll have to be more organised next year!!

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