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Postby Oddley » Sat May 31, 2008 1:22 pm

Spuddy wrote:
Oddley wrote:Spuddy, any meat before mincing will have various pathogens on the surface of the meat, distributed throughout the meat during the mincing process.

The idea of curing and drying is to kill these pathogens, before they produce toxins and thereby produce a sterile interior of any meat products. All the stages including drying are an important part of this process.


I completely agree but the point made by Dave (which I was trying to clarify for anyone that failed to understand) was to the effect that: if said pathogens had already created their toxins to a dangerous level then no amount of curing will make it safe to eat. It must be safe to eat at the very start.


The point that I was trying to clarify, for anyone that failed to understand was, just because you put some salt and nitrates in meat, does not mean you have killed all those pathogens that have been distributed throughout the meat by the mincing process.

Taking pathogen as defined by wiki as a germ or bacteria in this case.

You cannot eat raw pork straight from the stuffer. Unless you want to play Russian roulette.
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Postby johnfb » Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:18 pm

saucisson wrote:Chorizo: Marchington style:

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My son devours this like it is going out of fashion so I made a big one to take on holiday next week, I hope it cures a little before we go :lol:



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Postby Spuddy » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:47 pm

I want to know how much Dave had to pay John Cleese to pose with his sausage? :lol:
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Postby saucisson » Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:55 pm

My wife thought that was very funny :D
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Postby eggman6 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:34 pm

You cannot eat raw pork straight from the stuffer. Unless you want to play Russian roulette.


If you go to germany they'll serve you raw pork on bread with onions and pepper, its called Br�tchen. Its quite nice if you try and forget ur eating raw mince meat. Nice and refreshing on a hot day with a weissbier.

I would imagine its kept as a peice of meat untill minced, or minced and stored at a temperature that does not allow bacteria multiply.

Its fair to say preminced meat from a supermarket isn't safe, but i would imagine alot of people mince their own pork, in which case it should be safe to eat from the stuffer, depending on the temperature of the meat.
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Postby wheels » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:59 pm

eggman6 wrote:
You cannot eat raw pork straight from the stuffer. Unless you want to play Russian roulette.


If you go to germany they'll serve you raw pork on bread with onions and pepper, its called Br�tchen...


I thought <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_roll" target="_blank">Br�tchen</a> was a bread roll.
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Postby saucisson » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:07 pm

I think it's mettBr�tchen, the traditional way of serving mett on a roll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mett
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Postby wheels » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:23 pm

Thanks Dave - I assume that the pork is certified Trichinella free - or do they just take a risk. Whilst I get the impression that the EU is Trichinella free, imported meat may not be?

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Postby eggman6 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:41 pm

Yes mettbrotchen indeed. I did a copy paste and missed off the important bit.

http://www.marions-kochbuch.de/rezept/3150.htm
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Postby wheels » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:33 pm

:? :? :?
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Postby Paul Kribs » Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:04 am

eggman6 wrote:Yes mettbrotchen indeed. I did a copy paste and missed off the important bit.

http://www.marions-kochbuch.de/rezept/3150.htm


Why post that annoying flashing image when an ordinary hyperlink would suffice??? It could easily be misconstrued as SPAM...

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Postby eggman6 » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:42 pm

It wasn't an annoying flashing image when it was first posted, i only just realised this now. Looks like the picture has been removed from the hosting.
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Postby Spuddy » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:46 pm

That site has what is known as "Hotlink Protection" on their images so that you can't link them into another site.
I have modified the post so it should now work if someone clicks on the link.
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eating raw minced pork and Trichinella

Postby Seminole » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:54 am

wheels,

I believe that in EU every slaughtered pig is inspected for Trichinella. This is not the case in the USA, here we take for granted that commercially grown pigs are Trichinella free. A pig raised on a farm may be infected with Trichinella. A commercially raised pig is fed properly prepared food. A pig that roams free will eat anything and may be contaminated. Wild game such as deer or bear are often infected.

As far as eating fresh pork it more common than people think. Although I don't advocate it, the fact remains that I had eaten raw minced pork as a child and I am still eating it 60 years later. It will be useless to convince me that it was bad for me as I have never not got sick from eating it. Of course my sons will not eat raw meat. Many classy restaurant carry Steak Tartar on the menu and this is a raw ground meat served with raw egg, some onions, pickle etc.

The greatest army in the world - Genghis Khan and his Mongols (also known as Tartars) carried raw horse meat under the saddle. Meat was pounded during a ride and then consumed raw. Those people moved so fast that they did not stop for anything. When water was in a short supply, they would puncture horse's artery with a special straw and they will drink some blood while still riding.

Today, I would be more scared to eat raw beef than a raw pork. All cases of meat food poisoning (E. coli 0157H:7 and Salmonella) involve beef and somehow pork stays out of the trouble. This has little to do wth the meat itself, but is related to cleanliness and good manufacturing practices. Meat of a freshly killed animal is bacteria free, the problem begins when we start processing it. Bacteria live in the skin and in the guts, every time we make a cut with a knife, some new bacteria may be introduced into the meat. If this processing is done at low temperatures, there is little danger of the significant growth of bacteria. They will double up in numbers even at refrigerator temperature (0 C, 32 F), but they will need about 38 hours time. If meat is left at 26 C, 80 F, they will double up every hour. Now, we face danger.

To make it short: if everything was done by the book, the raw meat is safe to eat. If the rules were broken we may have a problem. It has nothing to do with the meat which is basically bacteria free. It is we, who contaminate meat.

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Postby wheels » Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:27 pm

Many thanks Seminole - I guess it is to do with 'conditioning' in our childhood. I have no problem with raw beef but, illogically, don't fancy eating raw pork, not so much through any scientific sense: just because , I guess, that's how I was brought up.

In reality, raw pork doesn't really bother me, it was just the concern over the possibility of Trichinella from imported meat.

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